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Spring appraisal...rebuild or move on.

Post by TheWizardofOdds on Wed 23 May 2018, 2:46 pm

Hi all.

Being very naughty over the winter I left my cb500s neglected in the garage. I've got a trickle charger and didnt charge up the battery so it needed coaxing when I opened the garage door last week. Both the sv650s and cb let me know what happens when you do that. 

Finally, I have both bikes running and in dire need of servicing and fettling. Looking at the CB it looks so desperately in need of tlc. Discs and pads renewal all over plus brake hoses and brake fluid. The swingarm is rusty so is the yoke? ...The part the forks attach to etc. Chain's ancient, sprockets too, all hoses for radiator etc. need renewed. Ultimately with fresh oil it's good to go but really, it's time. I've noticed oil seeping from the forks seals, which were new on last year, no fork service, just visible seal on forks.  What's happened there, any ideas?

Initially I thought to keep the sv as it's in way better condition and sell the CB. Then I thought about completely going over the CB while having the sv to enjoy riding this summer. Thing is, I've never done any maintenance except for oil changes. If I take the CB apart it may never go back together again.  Not being negative, it's a big job for a novice. Should I just crack on with one job at a time? Or take it off the road and strip it? Has anyone else on here with little mechanical experience done this?

Also, I think I'll need more than the haynes if I keep it and tackle the bike.  I see papercopy service manuals for the cb500r. Are there any workshop manuals for a 99 500s? If not is the R manual worth buying?

Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions.
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Post by Beresford on Wed 23 May 2018, 3:40 pm

I would say that unless you get a real pleasure from working on the bike, leave it alone, because there is a real danger of ending up with just a heap of sad second hand parts and no enthusiasm to do anything about putting them back together.

At least a complete bike in need of TLC has some value.
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Post by wornsprokets on Wed 23 May 2018, 6:48 pm

My cb500s fork seals were leaking bad after only one years after replacing them... i used a seal mate and 5wks on stil not leaking:)
i agree with beresford...ive two cb 500's both rusty well used cb500 v with 53k and cb500sy with 23k...both mechanically good but both bit tatty
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Post by davecb5002 on Wed 23 May 2018, 7:33 pm

Just tackle one job at a time, take it slowly and read up on what you intend doing. Do not go stripping it down to loads of bits. It gives a lot of satisfaction  and when you have got one bit completed, however small, try the next one. Well worth it with the CB500. Happy spanering Smile Smile
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Wed 23 May 2018, 9:02 pm

Thanks all, 

I've seen the seal mate, might be worth a tenner. 

I think the only way for me will be small jobs as mentioned. I'll start off with the pads, and replacing rusty bolts etc there's a load of them. 

Any ideas about the workshop/service manual?
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Post by tt fan on Thu 24 May 2018, 12:31 am

On the plus side the CB's are fairly simple to work on and parts are plentiful and relatively cheap.
I agree with taking on one bit at a time rather than stripping it all down. What i would do though is try and check it over thoroughly and price the bigger jobs first. Decent chain and sprockets, and discs and pads you are already into a couple of hundred. Then battery? Fork seals cost about as much as a pint round here(!) but there's no point doing all the smaller and cosmetic jobs first and ignoring things like sprockets or discs. Good luck!
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 24 May 2018, 9:56 pm

@tt fan wrote:On the plus side the CB's are fairly simple to work on and parts are plentiful and relatively cheap.
I agree with taking on one bit at a time rather than stripping it all down. What i would do though is try and check it over thoroughly and price the bigger jobs first. Decent chain and sprockets, and discs and pads you are already into a couple of hundred. Then battery? Fork seals cost about as much as a pint round here(!) but there's no point doing all the smaller and cosmetic jobs first and ignoring things like sprockets or discs. Good luck!

Thanks. Yeah it's a few bob for the discs and pads. The callipers will be due an overhaul too.  The battery's ok and the fork seals are new but are leaking while the bike hasnt been ridden? Weird.

I think I'll keep it sorned for a year and do small jobs, spread the cost. I'll probably sell next summer.
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Post by eternally_troubled on Sat 26 May 2018, 5:21 pm

@davecb5002 wrote:Just tackle one job at a time, take it slowly and read up on what you intend doing. Do not go stripping it down to loads of bits. It gives a lot of satisfaction  and when you have got one bit completed, however small, try the next one. Well worth it with the CB500. Happy spanering :) :)

I would agree with this.

Also, don't worry too much about the cosmetic things at first, just get it ridable and reliable and then reassess. Not many CB500 are good looking any more...
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Sun 27 May 2018, 12:07 pm

@eternally_troubled wrote:
@davecb5002 wrote:Just tackle one job at a time, take it slowly and read up on what you intend doing. Do not go stripping it down to loads of bits. It gives a lot of satisfaction  and when you have got one bit completed, however small, try the next one. Well worth it with the CB500. Happy spanering Smile Smile

I would agree with this.

Also, don't worry too much about the cosmetic things at first, just get it ridable and reliable and then reassess.  Not many CB500 are good looking any more...


That's true.  I would be ashamed if I ever met anyone from on here though. There are some excellent bikes in lovely nick. Mine needs an overhaul but it is mechanically sound. In a tractor sort of way. I really think with some plagiarising of ideas from here it could look really good. 

While I think about it, are there any all black shocks or springs for the rear? I don't really like the chrome look so much? And any thoughts on the service manual?

Thanks, David .
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Post by eternally_troubled on Mon 28 May 2018, 9:46 am

I know that TEC shocks don't come in black (look here) but it might be worth sending them an email to see if they can do you a special.

I wouldn't worry that the only manual available is the 'R' model-year.  The only significant things that are different are the brakes and the swingarm.  If you also read the Haynes manual in conjunction with the official manual you will get the idea.

If you get stuck or have a question (even if you think it is 'dumb') then ask on the forum - quite a lot of us have attempted (or even succeeded in :) some servicing, so we've probably had the same problems and made the same mistakes.
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Mon 28 May 2018, 9:18 pm

I'm sure I saw all black ones once, I think they might have been ikon or something equally expensive. I'll try tec, they can only say no.

I wondered what was different with the R, as  opposed to the S. So, swingarm, brakes,  instruments. It's worth the money I think. I have the haynes.

I'll have lots of questions! I'm going to have a look at lings for parts as the mirror saga continues. I think I need to buy a spacer. Also, I tried to tighten the chain but the nut that is not the axle nut but on left hand side has been rounded and I'll  be damned m I cannot loosen the axle nut. I need a new one for the left. Off topic...Thanks all.
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Post by turista on Tue 29 May 2018, 7:38 am

I bought ikon shocks and seached a lot, maybe the black ones are bitubo. Bitubo have great shocks, search on their page.
With ikon or bitubo there is no need to go wilbers
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Wed 30 May 2018, 9:36 pm

I've just saw bitubo for first time today. £335+ wow. Love the look though. 

I think the ikon are even more? Do you notice a real difference with that kind of quality? My  shocks are done , really noticeable now. I think it was hagon I saw before, nice but didn't want the name or chrome band on black ones. Would love those bitubo.
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Post by turista on Wed 30 May 2018, 10:26 pm

ikon are fine, much better than oem used. However I can not compare them with hagon or bitubo
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Post by Jameshambleton on Thu 31 May 2018, 8:25 am

Don't forget about YSS shocks
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Fri 01 Jun 2018, 10:58 am

Thanks. Yss are nice and around half price of bitubo I think, but damn, I've got those black ones on my mind!
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Post by goulton on Thu 26 Jul 2018, 10:27 pm

I've got Hagon shocks on the rear.  Bought a few years ago and had chromed as this was as the originals but Hagon will, I think, make anything you want.  When I bought mine I asked about settings and we got talking about my own weight (65kg) and my riding style.  Hagon then recommended a change of spring strength and an hour later rang back to say that they would have to change the damper as well- all this for £10 extra for each non-standard shock.  If they can do that it seems they should be able to organise black springs!

Any improvement in handling was subtle but having something tailor-made certainly improved my confidence.  This was not a case of new versus worn out, the old units were perfectly good but having had an "advisory" on the MOT because of surface rust on the springs I thought it best to change them.
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Post by skyerae on Fri 27 Jul 2018, 6:16 am

An advisory on surface rust on the springs - you should see my springs!! More like total rust held together with a few flecks of chrome. Not had an advisory on them yet but the tester at the localish garage is new and a total b*****d and is failing everything. Will go to another garage that is highly recommended and only half an hour away.
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Post by trevor machine on Sat 28 Jul 2018, 10:22 am

I actually like a stricter test - I openly challenge them to find something wrong with my bikes. I did get a fail on one bike - the back tyre was pitiful. But aside from that the worst I ever got on any bike was advisories (slight swing arm play CRM250, too loud exhaust cb500, etc.). I genuinely like to know if I've missed some detail on my bike that could make it dangerous.
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Post by skyerae on Sat 28 Jul 2018, 1:19 pm

I thought the previous tester was strict but it seems they weren't and the new tester is checking everything very carefully. It seems to me (and a friend who had his bike fail as well) that he is actually trying to find stuff wrong to drum up business for the garage. My friend is getting his work done elsewhere and I will sort out my motorcycles myself as I cannot seem to find a motorcycle mechanic I trust as much as I trust myself.
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Post by trevor machine on Sat 28 Jul 2018, 11:00 pm

I think one thing my bike should definitely have received an advisory for was loose spokes - this is on my klx (that I use for green laning). But despite actually pinging the spokes, the tester never seemed to hear that some didn't sound a proper note. I think he might have been a bit tone deaf, or else thought eh, not correct tightness but not sufficiently slack as to warrant an advisory / fail.
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Post by eternally_troubled on Wed 15 Aug 2018, 7:02 pm

I reckon they have to be pretty loose to fail the MOT i.e. you can wobble them about...

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