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Post by trevor machine on Thu 04 May 2017, 5:56 pm

A daft question for loads of reasons - but with some bikes you can sort of speculate and come up with some answers, answers that seem to suggest interesting parallels between two and four wheels.

For instance, I sometimes think the Yamaha RD350 YPVS was a bit like the Escort XR3i. Both very much products of the '80s - both affordable, comparatively modest vehicles. But both promising fun and vehicular frolics. And, in the case of the former at least, delivering on that promise.

But with the cb500 it's more difficult to suss out what its car equivalent might be. Maybe something like a Vauxhall Nova - perhaps the 1.2SR? Never going to win any performance prizes, but might happily fulfil the role of snapping at the heals of bigger, faster, better - and dearer - cars.
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Post by wornsprokets on Thu 04 May 2017, 6:54 pm

Ford fiesta :- go for ever...cheap to run...handles great...better than it looks...
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Post by trevor machine on Thu 04 May 2017, 7:28 pm

Old carb'd XR2? Or Poplar?
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Post by ceejay on Thu 04 May 2017, 8:59 pm

I've got an old 1.25 fiesta that is only a couple of years newer than my CB500 and it does share a lot of characteristics - no one looks at it, reliable, goes a bit faster than it looks like it should, economical, handles like a go kart, mass produced etc... however I think it would be something that has those characteristics and is also Japanese with that bland/nondescript appearance only the Japanese seem to be able to do... maybe an old E100 corolla?
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Post by Beresford on Thu 04 May 2017, 10:07 pm

I'd say the Fiat 127. You'd need to have driven one to appreciate what I mean. It was the dullest looking eurobox and yet it just fizzed with eagerness. I think it was a pioneer in that it was the first modern transverse engine FWD to have an end-on gearbox.
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Post by sullivj on Thu 04 May 2017, 10:11 pm

Triumph Acclaim....

Not the best looking, but equipped with a Honda engine, and much more powerful than anyone expected it to be.  Also great fun to drive and held the road really well.
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Post by geewhizz on Thu 04 May 2017, 11:23 pm

I was thinking about this today, having never owned a car but aspiring to own one pretty soon, after 5 yrs of cb5 ownership, and 17 years with a car driving licence, I think a mk1 mx-5 might be my cb5 fix on 4 wheels.


Like the look of that triumph acclaim tho
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Post by skyerae on Fri 05 May 2017, 6:12 am

Have to agree about the Triumph Acclaim, my wife had one which I used regularly and it was superb. Replaced the head gasket and only needed about 4 tools (a ratchet, a 12mm socket and a philips screwdriver and an extension piece for the ratchet) to remove it, oh and a jack to push up the exhaust manifold to get the head released. Such an easy job- it was a pleasure to work on.
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Sun 07 May 2017, 5:58 pm

Vw corrado vr6 of the same vintage.

Unfortunately mine was written off around 5 years ago in the worst winter for a long time. 

Cool nineties looks, more than acceptable performance and handling too.
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Post by wornsprokets on Sun 07 May 2017, 6:13 pm

Vw corrado vr6 cool car...mate
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Sun 07 May 2017, 8:15 pm

@wornsprokets wrote:Vw corrado vr6 cool car...mate

Yeah, love them, it's a car that doesn't cost much to buy but it needs to be looked after or the bills are horrendous. I'd get another but unfortunately a lot have had hellish boy racer mods now and the good ones are overpriced.
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Post by ceejay on Sun 07 May 2017, 11:31 pm

Yeah, love them, it's a car that doesn't cost much to buy but it needs to be looked after or the bills are horrendous. I'd get another but unfortunately a lot have had hellish boy racer mods now and the good ones are overpriced.

Talking of horrendous bills I actually have another rev-happy torque-less Honda where the timing chain tensioner has a relatively short life span... albeit with 4 wheels... a S2000. Not a car version of the CB500 though because parts are insanely expensive!! I currently have it off the road trying to re-furb the underside of the car with a lot of rust prevention and sort out the suspension as many of the adjustment bolts are seized (common problem it seems). Jobs on the CB500 are a dream in comparison! The car has quite an interesting engine for an IL4...
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Post by trevor machine on Mon 08 May 2017, 8:00 am

@ceejay wrote:
 Not a car version of the CB500 though because parts are insanely expensive!!

Not only that (and more importantly), that VW is too good to be the car equivalent of the CB500. I feel disloyal for saying it, but there's no way the cb500-car could compete with that. The CB was something of a budget bike, really - in the light-middle weight class, at least. The VW was more than that - not LOADS more, perhaps. But definitely more. Also, it's performance was better than most other cars - whereas the cb500 wasn't better than most other bikes. It was the era of the cbr600f. That damn thing was ubiquitous - and the other three parts of the Big Four had their own equivalent. Most bikers in the '90s were on fully fared 600s - certainly by the end of the '90s, anyway. (disclaimer - this is my interpretation of history - feel free to amend and correct with actual facts and truth! ; - )). Compared to them the cb500 was a laggard. So strictly speaking we need a car that was also that way inclined.
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Post by eternally_troubled on Wed 10 May 2017, 9:22 pm

Before my current car (a 1988 Saab 900i saloon) I had a Nissan Micra (1993 vintage) - the Micra is a pretty good fit for a CB500-like car: 1.0 or 1.3 litre engine, not exactly fast, not exactly large or luxurious. I got a shite-tonne of stuff in it that it really should have complained about - a whole boot of paving slabs (for instance) and abused it at 80 mph (which it didn't really like) on the motorway repeatedly. It also has an engine with a timing chain - thankfully the tensioner was better designed than the one on our bike!

Probably not as fun as our bike, but I'm not sure at many cars are...
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 11 May 2017, 6:16 am

@ceejay wrote:

Yeah, love them, it's a car that doesn't cost much to buy but it needs to be looked after or the bills are horrendous. I'd get another but unfortunately a lot have had hellish boy racer mods now and the good ones are overpriced.



Talking of horrendous bills I actually have another rev-happy torque-less Honda where the timing chain tensioner has a relatively short life span... albeit with 4 wheels... a S2000. Not a car version of the CB500 though because parts are insanely expensive!! I currently have it off the road trying to re-furb the underside of the car with a lot of rust prevention and sort out the suspension as many of the adjustment bolts are seized (common problem it seems). Jobs on the CB500 are a dream in comparison! The car has quite an interesting engine for an IL4...

My subaru leggy has been in two different garages for a fuel leak problem that remains unsolved. However, while the car was on the ramp one of the mechanics mentioned that it was very rusty underneath which pissed me off no end. It's a 2009 plate. I managed to have a look and the rust is largely surface rust but if I leave it much longer it's going to start making holes.  

I've been on a few classic car forums etc and it seems kurust and waxoyl is one way to deal with it. The only thing is, it would be hard enough to do if I had a ramp never mind jacking it up on my drive and then using axle stands or whatever. It's very cramped underneath. 

How are you going about this?
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Post by trevor machine on Thu 11 May 2017, 6:38 am

Just to interrupt a sec here. I *do* rate Waxoyl as a product - but imo it's almost wholly preventative rather than curative. I'd almost say that putting it on top of rust is worse than not applying it at all! Or, at least, is if you spray into a not wholly and entirely dry surface. This is, of course, because the Waxoyl traps the moisture and the steel in a kind of trap, enabling a small pocket of conditions conducive to corrosion (unintentional alliteration there!) to develop. Rusting may actually occur more slowly if the Waxoyl was not there and the surface could dry out once in a while.

Apologies for that potentially somewhat bleak prognosis - but unless corrosion is almost totally absent prior to applying that kind of project it's not really worth it, and could (theoretically at least) actually accelerate further damage. : - (
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 11 May 2017, 8:22 am

@trevor machine wrote:Just to interrupt a sec here. I *do* rate Waxoyl as a product - but imo it's almost wholly preventative rather than curative. I'd almost say that putting it on top of rust is worse than not applying it at all! Or, at least, is if you spray into a not wholly and entirely dry surface. This is, of course, because the Waxoyl traps the moisture and the steel in a kind of trap, enabling a small pocket of conditions conducive to corrosion (unintentional alliteration there!) to develop. Rusting may actually occur more slowly if the Waxoyl was not there and the surface could dry out once in a while.

Apologies for that potentially somewhat bleak prognosis - but unless corrosion is almost totally absent prior to applying that kind of project it's not really worth it, and could (theoretically at least) actually accelerate further damage. : - (

Not at all, thanks for the input. 

That's why I mentioned kurust. I'd treat it first, and only when it's been cured would I apply waxoyl.  

There was another treatment used on one particularly bad case on a forum car but I'm damned if I can remember what it was, I'll see if I can find it again.
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Post by trevor machine on Thu 11 May 2017, 9:06 am

Ah yeah - I get you. Bloody hard work though - as you said. Getting lift time, or a purpose built pit or brick rampart better still is next to impossible, it seems. There *is* a truck engineers up the road from me, but it's rough as arses and I've never quite dared approach them to ask. : - /
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 11 May 2017, 9:52 am

@trevor machine wrote:Ah yeah - I get you. Bloody hard work though - as you said. Getting lift time, or a purpose built pit or brick rampart better still is next to impossible, it seems. There *is* a truck engineers up the road from me, but it's rough as arses and I've never quite dared approach them to ask. : - /

Go on, do it! 

I would consider doing the same as I can't do it without a ramp or pit. 

Zinc phosphate is the stuff I was gibbering on about, that the lad used with kurust on his vw fastback. Bloody good job too.
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Post by ceejay on Thu 11 May 2017, 11:03 am

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Yeah, love them, it's a car that doesn't cost much to buy but it needs to be looked after or the bills are horrendous. I'd get another but unfortunately a lot have had hellish boy racer mods now and the good ones are overpriced.





Talking of horrendous bills I actually have another rev-happy torque-less Honda where the timing chain tensioner has a relatively short life span... albeit with 4 wheels... a S2000. Not a car version of the CB500 though because parts are insanely expensive!! I currently have it off the road trying to re-furb the underside of the car with a lot of rust prevention and sort out the suspension as many of the adjustment bolts are seized (common problem it seems). Jobs on the CB500 are a dream in comparison! The car has quite an interesting engine for an IL4...



My subaru leggy has been in two different garages for a fuel leak problem that remains unsolved. However, while the car was on the ramp one of the mechanics mentioned that it was very rusty underneath which pissed me off no end. It's a 2009 plate. I managed to have a look and the rust is largely surface rust but if I leave it much longer it's going to start making holes.  

I've been on a few classic car forums etc and it seems kurust and waxoyl is one way to deal with it. The only thing is, it would be hard enough to do if I had a ramp never mind jacking it up on my drive and then using axle stands or whatever. It's very cramped underneath. 

How are you going about this?

Well it depends on the part, whether it is a panal like the arches  or subframe or some suspension component and whether the rust is surface rust or something worse.... POR15 and Bilthamber products are worth looking at but you always have to do a bit of prep work. Check out their websites. As Trevor said there is a big difference between prevention and treating and choosing a product for each. If you treat it you are probably only slowing it down. Ideally you want to remove it and then try prevent but sometimes that's not possible/economical if you're not planning on keeping the car forever.

This is not me but this guy used Bilthamber stuff.

I haven't properly check my inner arches yet but if they are rotted this horror show awaits me somewhere down the line.

I have to work with just axle stands and discomfort!

How not to do it. Although a guy later on in that thread has done a thorough job except he's also painted the diff which I would probably avoid.
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Wed 17 May 2017, 6:51 pm

@ceejay wrote:

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@ceejay wrote:





Yeah, love them, it's a car that doesn't cost much to buy but it needs to be looked after or the bills are horrendous. I'd get another but unfortunately a lot have had hellish boy racer mods now and the good ones are overpriced.







Talking of horrendous bills I actually have another rev-happy torque-less Honda where the timing chain tensioner has a relatively short life span... albeit with 4 wheels... a S2000. Not a car version of the CB500 though because parts are insanely expensive!! I currently have it off the road trying to re-furb the underside of the car with a lot of rust prevention and sort out the suspension as many of the adjustment bolts are seized (common problem it seems). Jobs on the CB500 are a dream in comparison! The car has quite an interesting engine for an IL4...





My subaru leggy has been in two different garages for a fuel leak problem that remains unsolved. However, while the car was on the ramp one of the mechanics mentioned that it was very rusty underneath which pissed me off no end. It's a 2009 plate. I managed to have a look and the rust is largely surface rust but if I leave it much longer it's going to start making holes.  

I've been on a few classic car forums etc and it seems kurust and waxoyl is one way to deal with it. The only thing is, it would be hard enough to do if I had a ramp never mind jacking it up on my drive and then using axle stands or whatever. It's very cramped underneath. 

How are you going about this?



Well it depends on the part, whether it is a panal like the arches  or subframe or some suspension component and whether the rust is surface rust or something worse.... POR15 and Bilthamber products are worth looking at but you always have to do a bit of prep work. Check out their websites. As Trevor said there is a big difference between prevention and treating and choosing a product for each. If you treat it you are probably only slowing it down. Ideally you want to remove it and then try prevent but sometimes that's not possible/economical if you're not planning on keeping the car forever.

This is not me but this guy used Bilthamber stuff.

I haven't properly check my inner arches yet but if they are rotted this horror show awaits me somewhere down the line.

I have to work with just axle stands and discomfort!

How not to do it. Although a guy later on in that thread has done a thorough job except he's also painted the diff which I would probably avoid.

Ok, thanks for the info. 

I've looked at so much about this and I don't know what to do!

I feel like I could pay an arm and a leg to get it sorted but..who knows what kind of job would be done. Also, I imagine it'll be enormously time consuming and I would be unlikely to get the time to do it myself even if I could.  It's a shame as it's a cracking car but I think it's at a critical stage now and I don't want to sell it and there's nothing I want, that I could afford anyway!

Damned if I do, damned if I don't eh?
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Post by hh_12345 on Wed 20 Sep 2017, 10:02 pm

It always looked to me as if the cb has been assembled using random leftover parts, so  I would liken it to a lamborghini lm 002.
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