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Grarea
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New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Thu 28 Jul 2016, 8:21 pm

Hi there,
I thought that I would introduce myself as I suspect I will have questions at a later date.

I have just registered and seen the maintenance section.
That looks rather well done, so thanks for that in advance.

I have been off bikes for about ten years.
I used to have a CB600 but I have re- seen the light.

I picked up a 1998 CB500 S with one of the cylinders not working properly.
I had forgotten how great these are to ride.
(I was hoping it would be how I remembered.)

It is as natural as walking isn't it?

It will be a complete multi use machine.
From popping to sainsburys and to the beach and fun lane rides and the odd motorway run.
And probably commuting.
Ideal.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 28 Jul 2016, 8:58 pm

Lovely stuff. 

You picked the right bike to return with. The CB500 is very natural and easy to feel comfortable with. 

Welcome, and it would be great to see a few pics of your bike.  You'll get plenty of helpful advice on here.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Jameshambleton on Thu 28 Jul 2016, 10:02 pm

Welcome to the forum, I'm sure any of us will be able to help you with any questions or issues that you have Smile
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Beresford on Fri 29 Jul 2016, 1:18 am

So how did you fix it ?
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Fri 29 Jul 2016, 8:26 am

I didn't yet, I just needed to be somewhere, so kind of picked it up, made a racket going somewhere
made a racket coming home and that gets me to now.

Time to start pondering and learning.
I will start looking at it either today (if I get time) or the weekend.


I do appreciate what you guys have done here. Really handy.
I have seen the great looking maintenace pages.
I have just got a download of the H manual.
Smashing.

I need to learn my bike.
So, if you guys don't mind I might post some simple questions which will save me some time initially.
Then of course post a pic. (He is a bit rusty and tired in places, but that will slowly improve)

Actually, I have a quick initial question.
I have a 1998 CB500 S.
The manual runs from 93-01
Are there any variations that I need to look out for when looking for second hand bits?
As in any common traps that I might fall into?
As in is there a slight model change within those years?
Thanks
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by wornsprokets on Fri 29 Jul 2016, 1:38 pm

Ive a 97 cb (italian version)  difference is change of brakes from nissin to brembo and rear brakes from drum(jap version) to rear disc(italian version) ive the naked version so so no top fairing      unlike s version, think thats about only difference..lads on here tell your more..
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Jameshambleton on Fri 29 Jul 2016, 3:41 pm

Rear sprocket uses a different bearing from 98- onwards, angle of the forks is different on the S model. 

Front engine mounting bolt becomes seized in the engine is pretty much the only con, oh and some replacement speedo cables are a bit short.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Fri 29 Jul 2016, 8:47 pm

Excellent information, thanks.
Right, best have a think about that unhappy cylinder over the weekend methinks.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Fri 12 Aug 2016, 12:45 pm


Meet Harvey. My new addition to the household. (He is Harvey because of some letters in the reg. Also, Harvey the Honda.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Jameshambleton on Fri 12 Aug 2016, 5:01 pm

Looks clean that does, engine looks really good
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Fri 12 Aug 2016, 5:24 pm

It isn't bad.
However, there has been some paint applied by brush when you look close.
To the engine, the plastic side covers and also some pipes (?).

So, I have some concerns. (who knows what it looked like before?)
There is a fair bit of surface rust in various places. Nuts, mirror arms, by the levers.
The saddle cover is new.
So, i think it looked fairly bad before.

All will be done gradually.
I am pretty pleased with it.
I can see me using this for a long time.
Such a great run around.
I can also see my son using it when he gets to that point.
It vibrates the life out of hands and toes though, but i reckon that will improve when i have had a fiddle.
It has already improved slightly with new plugs.

I have just had to 'adjust' (with a hammer) the centre stand stop.
I was riding along and got this horrible noise.
It was the chain running along the centre stand that was coming up too high.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by ashcroc on Fri 12 Aug 2016, 5:57 pm

Has the stop still got the rubber bung attached?  On my first cb it was missing so I replaced it with one from a gpz600 that was to hand. It's about the same depth as the cheap universal ones on the bay as opposed to the shockingly thin stock one.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Fri 12 Aug 2016, 6:46 pm

Yes, it still has the (painted) bung.
Where the cross piece was meant to run parrallel to the frame, it had been bent all ways.
All good now.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Beresford on Fri 12 Aug 2016, 7:50 pm

@Grarea wrote:It vibrates the life out of hands and toes though,
They don't really vibrate much. If you are finding it does, it's probably because you aren't using its' 'proper' rev range. ie. 8-10,000 rpms. 
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 10:16 am

@Beresford wrote:

@Grarea wrote:It vibrates the life out of hands and toes though,


They don't really vibrate much. If you are finding it does, it's probably because you aren't using its' 'proper' rev range. ie. 8-10,000 rpms. 
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I am afraid you have me mistaken for someone interesting.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Beresford on Sat 13 Aug 2016, 7:37 pm

Grare wrote:
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I am afraid you have me mistaken for someone interesting.

Please excuse me, my kids keep telling me to grow up.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Wed 17 Aug 2016, 10:10 am

Very Happy
Don't you dare listen to them.

Well, the vibrations have definitely improved.
Things improved a bit when I changed the plugs and then have kept improving.

My theory is that I reckon one wasn't on top form and was being inefficient.
Now it is burning more efficiently, i reckon it is cleaning itself out a bit.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by stormbringer on Fri 19 Aug 2016, 7:12 pm

@Grarea wrote:My theory is that I reckon one wasn't on top form and was being inefficient.
Now it is burning more efficiently, i reckon it is cleaning itself out a bit.

Advice:
Apply

  • Wash & clean + chain care + 1 hour general tlc including a tyre pressure check
  • Fresh engine oil & filter
  • Fresh air filter
  • A ZX1 cure
  • Two weeks of intensive use - including a fair bit of mway at the end of the period


Then, let's talk. The CB will in general respond positively to tlc.
You just have to figure that out - which @FlyingBrick found out - and put into words:
Why ride a CB500?

I can't add anything to his words. Welcome!
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Fri 19 Aug 2016, 9:11 pm

Good call.
Yes, I am looking forward to getting caught up on the general bits.
Apparently there was a full service done on it just before I got it.
I am debating doing it all again anyway. (especially as it seems the plugs weren't changed.)
Just so that I know where I am with it.

I haven't heard of ZX1 before. It looks interesting. 
Are you meaning this product in particular?

http://www.team-zx1.com/zx1-store.html#!/EXTRALUBE-ZX1-Micro-Oil-Metal-Treatment-250-ml/p/48145283/category=12530665

I am getting the feeling that I will be waxing lyrical about my CB as well.
It is all that I hoped for and better.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by stormbringer on Sat 20 Aug 2016, 9:35 pm

@Grarea wrote:Just so that I know where I am with it.
You're talking my language there.


@Grarea wrote:Are you meaning this product in particular?
http://www.team-zx1.com/zx1-store.html#!/EXTRALUBE-ZX1-Micro-Oil-Metal-Treatment-250-ml/p/48145283/category=12530665
Exactly. It's probably seen as 'snake oil' by many, but I like it. Feel free to disagree.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Sun 21 Aug 2016, 10:36 am

I am quite interested in theses sort of things.
I like the  long term view of things.
I have found also that many people think everything is a con.

Now, I am incredibly cynical of everything, yet also have an open mind with things.
I can imagine people's first opinion of the internal combustion engine.

I used to do a lot of miles in my van.
If I used BP diesel over supermarket diesel, it ran better noticeably plus it returned a better mpg.
Many people reckoned the Ultimate diesel is a complete con. They laughed at me.
"diesel is diesel"
When i put the Ultimate in, it generally kicked out a bunch of smoke to start with (clearing it out)
Then it ran at 10-15% better mpg. It cost less  than 10% more.
So, i was up.
Not only that, the van ran with substantially better performance.

Anyway, ramble over, my point is that these things are often of worth and worth a try.
I shall add it to my list.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Beresford on Sun 21 Aug 2016, 12:48 pm

I've recently started using branded (usually BP) petrol in my 'other' bike as a result of some problems I'd been having with it, and I've noticed an improvement in smoothness and mileage.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by stormbringer on Sun 21 Aug 2016, 1:33 pm

The topic 'miracle products' is always a nice one to discuss.
My personal experience is that the worse your starting point is, the more obvious any improvements will be.
I recently fed my old and rusty elCheapo-lawnmower this ZX1-stuff. It ran rough and seemed to struggle, including being unable to maintain revs until properly warmed-up. One neighbor even noticed he could clearly hear when it was my mower, because it did that.
Add ZX1, mow lawn. Not much change. Mow lawn again next week - wonder who replaced the old lawnmower with this new one... Now I've removed the safety clippings exhaust, I'm cutting wet grass and apples and simply can't seem to keep the engine down. I've even doubled the interval between mowings. This 80£-china-mower ('Halfrauds') became invincible overnight.
The CB reacts differently. Not much to notice; a bit of difference in the gearchange clonkicity, perhaps slightly more lively. Most noticeably, a metronome-like tickover when properly warm. So much, you are inclined to think "Hmmm - how's that?"
I even have it set slightly low, so at intersections I can coast up next to posh cars almost undetected. Then, smoke them. This bike sounds oh so innocent and docile at tickover. But turning Mr. Jekyll into Mr. Hyde is only a twist of the wrist away Twisted Evil 

I like riding this underdog-bike. I like the howl it gives off when requested to.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by Grarea on Sun 21 Aug 2016, 2:17 pm

I do love the understated way.
I love it when something works like it should.

It made me chuckle that you mention the mower.
I have an old Briggs & Stratton that has always been brilliant that was lent to family members for 6 months and since then it was rough as you like, all sorts of things. 
Coincindence I am sure.

Anyway, just yesterday, gave that some tlc, tightening bolts and a service and I reckon you could use it to trail blaze in the amazon yet again. Starts with a quarter of a pull, smooth as you like and much quieter.  I bet it would love a bit of bonus snake oil.

Other things to do first, but I am interested in the 'which petrol' experiment as well with Harvey.
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Re: New 1.5 pot CB500 S owner.

Post by stormbringer on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 5:57 pm

@Grarea wrote:I do love the understated way.
I am interested in the 'which petrol' experiment as well with Harvey.

Most CBs are just that - anonymous. In a good sense. Replacing the OE can will make 'em louder, but everything else - including durability - will remain the same.

Petrol: My impression is that RON does not matter. I actually prefer 92. Taking the bike for a good run in the countryside is way more important - for the both of you. You will gain a big smile, the bike will get a workout and it will like it. So far, I've found the bike even likes to be put to work. Recently, I rode 1200 miles in one go on mway; not a peep. Just that metronome-like tickover... Last year I got impatient with still ~400 miles to go. You'd be surprised how clean a chain gets when run for 400 miles at a tonne (bar petrol-stops). Again - not a peep.

It seems to be made from Neverfailium.

Don't be afraid to use the rev-range; Mr. Hyde awakens at ~7k. There's a party going on at ~9k. And you're invited Smile

Also: It's nimble! Riding in France, all bikes filter on the mway in the scorching summer heat. But big fat BMW's and fancy Ducatis with luggage strewn all over them get smoked by little ol' me. I've been filtering like a madman - including 'across the lanes'. For that reason alone you will never see me on a GoldWing. I'm at it along with the scooters; Getouttamyway!!

Feel free to redefine the term 'streetfighter'.

So go ahead and experiment with petrol and stuff. But I urge you to feed your bike copious amounts of tlc - and use it!

Then tell us all about your experiences. We'd like to hear. Honestly.

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