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Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

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Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by wornsprokets on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 3:15 am

Well ive got to know a younger member of the forum, anigai, he lives not that far from me, ive met up with him a few times to chat about bikes i have seen his little gn 250 and he looked over my cb, you can see straight off he loves his bikes and  and hes handy at fixing them too. Unfortunately he bought his cb off a complete bell end. Anigai's cb was  written off on paper the plonker that sold it to him knew this. Anigai has put alot of effort and money into fixing his cb and now is thinking of giving up on it now. Now i have suggested a new frame & book but its more money..  and he's nearly gone past amount for a decent cb. So words of encouragement would probably help him to keep going with this bike. I doubt he get his money from previous owner back.( previous owner needs a kick in b---s)  ive had 20 bikes over the years and ive never had one hpi ,  if i buy more after what happened anigai, i wil from now on. Also i am sure we all bought a bike we shouldnt have. So words of encouragement  advice maybe mite keep him going Very Happy( i know when i was starting out i had help from guys that were experienced bikers they helped alot in the decisions i made)
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by trevor machine on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 7:03 am

I've got a couple of cbs and the second one I bought definitely has something not quite right - for instance when inspecting it prior to purchase, at the seller's place, I noticed the engine number doesn't match the log book. So looks like lump swapped at some point. Secondly has drum brake but is on an R plate (question - what's the latest reg plate anyone's got for a drum bike?), whereas my other is all discs on a P. So not sure if swing arm not original either. Also, left hand side of bar definitely out of true - not loads, but still. Detectable. However clutch case not scratched at all. So bike's been over on its left hand side pretty hard and bent bars not replaced or properly bent back to true. Or wrecked bars replaced with used slightly bent ones. Also left hand rad cowl has crazed lacquer - home respray job gone wrong. Suggesting more shenanigans with nearside damage. Bike came with ZERO paperwork. Log book shows eleven owners (!).

Bike cost £750 quid - brought from Peterborough. Rode home to York - fork oil covering left hand leg (lucky it wasn't right disc). This after bouncing front end at seller's place to see if chrome would film up or seepage would be visible. So - took in for new fork seals - cost me £300 (!) cos some twit had bodged in the wrong size seal - heat, hammers and expletives required to remove.

But since then it's done nearly 30k in two years without a single complaint. It's not as tight and fresh feeling as my P reg - but it's still a very happy and content bike, eager to please and always glad to be ridden. Loves towns - and the open roads too. Shrugs everything off, with nary a complaint in evidence even up to 10k rpm. Adapts to short shifting or boarder line abusive thrashing.

Are they worth persevering with when poorly and infirm? Coming off a GN250, yeah I reckon. Great step up (though I am an advocate of stepped progression, so have to announce that bias). But of course there does come a point where the worth of it comes into question when repairing.

I trashed my P reg a while back. Cost me £1500 (mint w/ 8k [!] on the clocks). Needed tank, clocks, rad cowl, tail piece, bars, grips, clutch case, flasher, lever, etc. etc. - and a pro paint job all over. Probably cost me best part of a grand all in if I'm honest. Nearly didn't bother - but knowing how good the frame  and lump were (former zero corrosion, latter still strong and smooth), I bit the bullet. Had to really cos I loved it so much.

Once a cb500 is put right properly, and with a modicum of maintenance and TLC to keep fresh oil and corrosion of frame and shocks at bay, they will almost always prove very difficult to kill. The bike's character compared to so many other bikes 100cc bigger and beyond will seem relatively bland - linear power, neutral ergos, '90s UJM styling, etc. etc. But this is a narrow understanding of character. A slightly subtler definition will include mechanical robustness, reliability more generally, not to mention versatility, comfort and ease of maintenance, and so on. Such characteristics might not always be readily felt when riding. The CB500's capabilities and virtues are in some ways old fashioned, from a time when bikes were conceived - at least in part - as a means of transport, as working machinery that needs to perform properly and without interruption on a continuous basis. Once that's grasped and appreciated, the bike's strengths are indisputable. In fact, it has a good claim to be amongst some of the best bikes ever manufactured. For these and related reasons I'm tempted to say they're almost always worth nursing back to health. It'll always be the underdog, and often wears a cloak of invisibility when parked up amongst so many other bikes. But, on the sly, these bikes are little marvels, and - in terms of longevity at the very least - excellent examples of Japanese engineering. They seek only to serve their masters and mistresses, and once sorted, will gladly do so much, much longer than the vast majority of other bikes out there. Sloggers, they are - and proud of it too.
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by davebike500 on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 9:49 am

Just explain please I cannot quite understand you

Do I get it right  you friend bought a bike that is A car a/b write off so not registrable ??
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by wornsprokets on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 10:19 am

Yep not registerable, dave  the bike cant be put back on road. But the guy who sold him this knew this obviously
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by davebike500 on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 10:54 am

We may have frame and log book in south London If you interested I talk to partner and see what we can do

Dave
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by wornsprokets on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 11:00 am

It probbably be too much to post to dublin dave, anigai really pissed off talking of geting rid of cb now.hopefully forum members can change his mind about it.
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by Jameshambleton on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 11:37 am

This could possibly be an option for him hit them with a really low offer and see what happens.  http://www.ebay.ie/itm/281770973580

I'd happily send him my frame for the cost of postage but it's got a load of surface rust and it's uk registered and not ie and that causes problems in itself. I've also not checked it on hpi type check never needed to (I did one on total car check) but it's only £1.89 , not to mention a courier who ships to IE and finding one who would carry a frame.

It gives this obviously I've wiped a new tiny bits of information but you get the gist 

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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by stormbringer on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 12:50 pm

trevor machine wrote:Once that's grasped and appreciated, the bike's strengths are indisputable. In fact, it has a good claim to be amongst some of the best bikes ever manufactured.

Great write-up!

Supporting your words I offer up this link.

Some time ago there was a thread where one was meant to describe the CB in one word. I found it quite educational and took note of the following two:

Utilitarian and Basic.

Yes, indeed. A good tool. One that will get the job done, no fuss. Again and again.

Because chrome won't get you home.

To cheer up poor unlucky anigai, I'd just say that my own CB has 'survived' quite a number of attempts from well-meaning people and shops to persuade me to upgrade 'the little bike'.

Because it's one bike worth investing in!
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by Anigai on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 1:38 pm

Wow giuys I don't know what to say, all this support from yourselves is amazing.

The past few days I've been looking at the now perfect CB500 with all that lovely work done to it and all that time and effort dedicated to it with disdain. Enough that I was even considering just getting rid of it because I'm just tried of looking at it now.

I park the GN beside it everyday and it looks like the young banjo player from the movie where they have a dual between guitar player and banjo player except the guy's banjo isn't legal to be able to play.

Thanks for the support guys, I'm more inclined now to just stick it out even if it does again cost more money.
Ironically the final parts for the CB arrived today which I ordered before i knew it was a write off and they are off engine bars, they are the parts that the front engine bolt goes through to keep that bars flat.

Wornsprockets, has anybody ever told you that your a decent bloke?
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Post by wornsprokets on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 1:45 pm

A couple times Very Happy
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by wornsprokets on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 4:12 pm

I have to agree with what lads have said here about the cb, one day last week i came home from work on cb on damp horrible rainy weather, later that day i went to my parents house twenty miles away on fireblade, i missed the relaxed riding position and straightish bars( ur not only one trevor) of the cb and all that extra power on damp roads is a liability , i am not a fan of riding in wet (either bersford) but u cant stop because of weather. I think cb is perfect for ireland right amount of power and a practical bike to use every day. So if engine has good compression anigai, i think it be shame not to see that cb on road here, my cousin fixes up classic bikes and cars and he say you never get money back what u put in thats why he very rarely sell anything
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by TheWizardofOdds on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 7:28 pm

Hi Anigai. 

Stick with it my man don't let that put you off. I have only had two bikes, my first one was written off and then rebuilt by a well known specialist of the marque. I only found out it was written off when I went to sell it. That was a shock I can tell you. I did sell it no problem though so all was well. I did learn a lesson though. I have always done hpi checks and can't remember why I didn't that once. Anyway.. 

My next bike , the CB500s I now have has a different frame and engine number. I moaned about that on here but was soon put right. It's no big deal. 

When the bike is in your hands it's in good hands. Enjoy it and use it for what it is. All the bikers I know have the latest triumph/BMW etc and are scared to get as much as a scratch on it. I love the CB more each time I ride it. It has integrity. 

Enjoy your bike mate and it sounds like you know your onions, I wish I was more handy around the bike. Cheers.
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by Beresford on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 8:37 pm

TheWizardofOdds wrote:Hi Anigai. 
It has integrity.

I met a guy yesterday who had just bought a low miles second hand 1200 Multistrada.
He'd paid £16000. It is a nice bike but what's the point in the modern police and camera state.
The word to describe the CB500 is 'sufficient'
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Re: Anigai (so much trouble with his cb 500)

Post by Anigai on Mon 11 Apr 2016, 9:02 pm

I guess i can certainly take solace in the fact that even if i replaced everything with brand newish bit from David Silver at a premium it still wouldn't be a CB500 worth 16 grand.

Thanks for the advice guys, speaking of really bad weather my wheel swingarm bearings in the GN were put through their paces today. Also heard a clicking and turned out to be a loose chain guard, pulled up under a bridge in the lashing of rain with no pressure to figure out what was causing the noise because i wasn't getting wetter.

I'd love a Jap import CB500 instead of these Italian ones. Sure you give up the Brembos and the rear disk but you gain that little bit more of everything else.

I really appreciate all the help guys, I do want to keep the CB but I'd really hate to see the not so nice man who sold it to me get away scot free........

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