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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Wed 18 Nov 2015, 9:42 pm

My new CB has been covered up in the garage for a while waiting to be serviced (funds).I intend doing this myself and will start off in the next week or so with fresh oil/filter/sump plug etc. 
I really need a new socket set as the very cheap number I bought at halfords about ten years ago has served me well but it's time for some better quality. The ratchets are poor but the rest has been good. 
About a year ago I bought a nice little tool kit by Proxxon for the car. It's a 1/2" drive number with some nice spanners, Knipex pliers and screwdrivers etc. My initial thoughts were to get a Proxxon 1/4 and 3/8" socket set but I'd like some opinions about what people use.
First of all, I don't want one of the 170 odd piece Halfords professional sets or suchlike. I know they get great reviews etc. but being the purist/minimalist that I am I'd ideally like the bare minimum that is required for most of the stuff you would use for a CB. I also am doing more and more maintenance on the family's bicycles so would like to keep that in mind. 
I've looked at loads from Snap-On, Stahlwille, Wera, Teng etc. The first few are of course very expensive but if I don't need much it might work out OK? On the other hand, maybe something like a Draper Expert kit might be enough. 
I would like six point metric. 
If you know where I'm coming from thoughts appreciated please. 
Oh another thing, torque wrench. I have a draper 30-100 ish Nm range. Again, looking at a Proxxon at 5-30 Nm to complete the torque wrench requirements. I think it's a 3/8" drive, does that seem OK? 
Thanks, David.
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Post by wornsprokets on Wed 18 Nov 2015, 10:31 pm

Ive a halfords large socket set (120 or 150 piece) for years and iv reallly abused it loads very good set never problem with them bar catches on box, ive stripped a cb1 400 and cbr 600f2 to frames on both when breaking for parts, nothing failed so far
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Post by eternally_troubled on Wed 18 Nov 2015, 10:59 pm

@TheWizardofOdds wrote:...
I would like six point metric. 
torque wrench ... I think it's a 3/8" drive, does that seem OK? 
Thanks, David.

That was exactly what I was going to suggest, I already had a 3/8" torque wrench and bought a socket set to go with it.

I went for Facom brand.

I also have a slighty dodgy 1/2" 12-point set from working on the car in the past, which can come in handy but is not much use as the 3/8".

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Post by muttley1 on Wed 18 Nov 2015, 11:13 pm

Hi,

tool porn eh?

I'd say get the relatively few tools you'll actually use, sockets 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19, 23(?rear axle) and 30 for the headstock nut. Perhaps a 15 as this is a popular cycling size. An extender bar is helpful too.
I use draper ones, all good and certainly enough for cb5 use, Snap on would be overkill imo.

Torque wrench - I use a draper one, the max torque you'll need is for the headstock bolt at 90nm, most torque up under 40nm iirc. I have a sheet on the pinboard in my garage with the torque settings for all the bolts etc and it does make things easier than shuffling through Haynes.
A set of spanners helps with easy jobs. I use a set of teng ones kept on hooks in order, just the thing for quick adjustments etc. Add some allen spanners, a pair of pliers and a slot and phillips screwdrivers and you can do most jobs. Look at screwfix for spanner sets, its easier to buy these and allen keys as sets.

Also, there's a thread on toolkits somewhere and what folks keep under their seats too (!). I'd say get cheapish tools to do any roadside repairs that are the most likely, even though they are very unlikely to occur (loose lever, broken clutch cable, getting at fuses, road crud in the chain run. The standard toolkit isn't up to this imo.

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Post by ashcroc on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 12:27 am

Depending on where your 1/2" set goes down to it may be worth just getting a 1/4" set & missing the 3/8" out. Alternatively if the halfords sockets are still OK just get a new ratchet to go with them.

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Post by sullivj on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:36 am

I have a couple of halfords sets for the big stuff, but more often than not grab my Bergen 1/4 deep socket rail and bergen ratchet.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEN-11pc-1-4-DRIVE-DEEP-METRIC-SOCKET-SET-4mm-to-13mm-on-storage-rail-/261788332136?hash=item3cf3ccf068:g:37QAAOSweW5U6hjU


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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:38 am

@wornsprokets wrote:Ive a halfords large socket set (120 or 150 piece) for years and iv reallly abused it loads very good set never problem with them bar catches on box, ive stripped a cb1 400 and cbr 600f2 to frames on both when breaking for parts, nothing failed so far

I don't need that much I'm sure. I do like the reputation that halfords pro stuff has though so I might see if a smaller set is available.

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Post by sullivj on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:40 am

They have them on sale at halfrauds at the moment.
 50% off sets.


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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:40 am

@eternally_troubled wrote:

@TheWizardofOdds wrote:...
I would like six point metric. 
torque wrench ... I think it's a 3/8" drive, does that seem OK? 
Thanks, David.



That was exactly what I was going to suggest, I already had a 3/8" torque wrench and bought a socket set to go with it.

I went for Facom brand.

I also have a slighty dodgy 1/2" 12-point set from working on the car in the past, which can come in handy but is not much use as the 3/8".
Facom indeed. I've looked at those too but they're pretty saucy price wise too. It's not a problem if I don't need much though.
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:48 am

@muttley1 wrote:Hi,

tool porn eh?

I'd say get the relatively few tools you'll actually use, sockets 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19, 23(?rear axle) and 30 for the headstock nut. Perhaps a 15 as this is a popular cycling size. An extender bar is helpful too.
I use draper ones, all good and certainly enough for cb5 use, Snap on would be overkill imo.

Torque wrench - I use a draper one, the max torque you'll need is for the headstock bolt at 90nm, most torque up under 40nm iirc. I have a sheet on the pinboard in my garage with the torque settings for all the bolts etc and it does make things easier than shuffling through Haynes.
A set of spanners helps with easy jobs. I use a set of teng ones kept on hooks in order, just the thing for quick adjustments etc. Add some allen spanners, a pair of pliers and a slot and phillips screwdrivers and you can do most jobs. Look at screwfix for spanner sets, its easier to buy these and allen keys as sets.

Also, there's a thread on toolkits somewhere and what folks keep under their seats too (!). I'd say get cheapish tools to do any roadside repairs that are the most likely, even though they are very unlikely to occur (loose lever, broken clutch cable, getting at fuses, road crud in the chain run. The standard toolkit isn't up to this imo.

muttley1

Tool porn alright! 
 
The option is to just get nice quality sockets in the sizes you've quoted or to get a smallish kit. I will need ratchets. 

I should have mentioned the Proxxon came with good quality Allen keys. Spanners of a good range from very small 6mm to 19mm something like that. Screwdrivers are covered as are pliers. Sockets and ratchets and bits too? 

The bike came with the original toolkit but I'll check out the thread.
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:51 am

@ashcroc wrote:Depending on where your 1/2" set goes down to it may be worth just getting a 1/4" set & missing the 3/8" out. Alternatively if the halfords sockets are still OK just get a new ratchet to go with them.

I'll check when I get home this afternoon/evening. I got a 3/8" forge ratchet from screwfix as the halfords one broke. I think its called forge. It's OK.
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:52 am

@sullivj wrote:I have a couple of halfords sets for the big stuff, but more often than not grab my Bergen 1/4 deep socket rail and bergen ratchet.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEN-11pc-1-4-DRIVE-DEEP-METRIC-SOCKET-SET-4mm-to-13mm-on-storage-rail-/261788332136?hash=item3cf3ccf068:g:37QAAOSweW5U6hjU

Thanks, never heard of them, I'll take a look.
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Post by TheWizardofOdds on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:54 am

@sullivj wrote:They have them on sale at halfrauds at the moment.
 50% off sets.

50%? Bloody hell...

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Post by sullivj on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 7:03 am

Yep:

http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/socket-sets?cm_re=mmworkshop-_-Tools-_-Socktsets
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Post by ashcroc on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 8:09 am

Never buy anything full price from halfrauds if you can help it. They have a hell of a mark up so you think theese reductions are value for money.

That said most of their professional tool range carries a lifetime warrenty which can't be sniffed at & iirc their sockets are mostly flank drive too (like snap on/blue point) to reduce rounding.
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Post by eternally_troubled on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 12:50 pm

@TheWizardofOdds wrote:Facom indeed. I've looked at those too but they're pretty saucy price wise too. It's not a problem if I don't need much though.


I only got a small set -  this one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FACOM-J-4APB-3-8-Dr-6-Point-SOCKET-SET-8-22mm-/311164604125

I paid about 70 quid for mine, but that was three years ago (I think this set is discontinued now, hence the drop in price).

I would agree that Facom are pricey compared to some of the cheap stuff.  I was just pissed off at bad tools either breaking or mashing parts of my motorbike/bicycle etc.  I have no complains with this set - I hope it will outlast me!

EDIT:

If you are looking not to spend too much money, but still get good stuff have a look at this from Halfords, it's currently 30 quid:

http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/socket-sets/halfords-advanced-professional-28-piece-metric-socket-set-3-8

To my mind the only problem with this (and, now I remember, the reason I didn't buy a Halfords set) is that it is 12-point rather than 6-point. Mind you, 12-point is a lot better than 18-point...
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Post by Jameshambleton on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:39 pm

I personally have this and 2 torque wrenches ranging from 8-52nm and 40-200nm and I've never had to use anything else

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Post by sullivj on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 6:40 pm

Can a man ever have too many sockets and spanners?... I don't think so:

OCD - Me?!!








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Post by skyrider on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 7:14 pm

oh yes well impressed with the tool store there sulli Twisted Evil

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Post by sullivj on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 7:32 pm

Slightly embarrassingly, there's lots more!

And yes, they do all get used, cleaned and returned Wink
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Post by ashcroc on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 7:33 pm

@sullivj wrote:Can a man ever have too many sockets and spanners?... I don't think so:

OCD - Me?!!








I'm surprised your ocd can cope with that rogue spanner higher that the others in the bottom pic affraid
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Post by skyrider on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 7:38 pm

you cant beat having an extra spanner Smile
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Post by skyrider on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 7:39 pm

@sullivj wrote:Slightly embarrassingly, there's lots more!

And yes, they do all get used, cleaned and returned Wink

nothing wrong with that

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Post by sullivj on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 7:47 pm

Thats my 'therapy spanner', Ashcroc... It's supposed to help me, but in my mind, it's just laughing at me like a demented clown, every time I open the draw..!!
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Post by wornsprokets on Thu 19 Nov 2015, 7:58 pm

Good tool organisation! begining to think alot guys on here have ocd Smile    .i like a tool chest like that one, i doubt it be organised or clean

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